Friday, 27 September 2024

Bedford Greyfriars Consultation Feedback and associated thougths


This has and is going on for some time. I attended the Midland Road 'open air' consultation. My 'concerns' are as follows:

1. We can all agree that more 'social housing' is desperately needed. One just has to look at the Borough Housing Department and Homelessness to see it. Long queues, ages to get through on the phone, a real run-around. People off the streets illiterate and drug or alcohol dependent faced with gathering personal data and a form of some 32 pages with 18 of 'guidance' - will struggle! One of the main ways to reduce the load is to build more social housing! How tempting and 'trend-laden' to develop and indeed create more 'brownfield sites' or identify areas for 'redevelopment'. There was a time when rural places were allocated/chose some council housing/affordable housing for their own needs, but over the years, these places have become des-res, people not rural-based, but moving out from urban areas to escape squalor and then turn to prevent others likewise or limit others and inform a kind of 'drawbridge' mentality against more development, social housing especially. Many of these houses have multiple cars and that impacts the commute into/out of urban interfaces negatively mainly but for the spend in out of town retail locations and lengthening queues and parking demand for accessing rail services. On the one hand we have Sharnbrook as an example where a rejection of a new railway station and development on the old station site, locks in an A6 commute for shops and rail, on the other we have Stagsden where very little if any social housing exists, pub, chapel and shop has closed and one bus an hour few use, begs apart from dormitory status, what future for 'village life'? Then there's Biddenham, new 'Saxon Court' development, no shop as far as one can tell, one bus per hour (no X5 outwards access), and mainly a des-res development predicated on masse car usership from day one for majority of transport needs. Multiply that model, and we are conflicting with design-planning to inform lower congestion, lower emissions and free up parking spaces! 2. Coming to Greyfriars development itself, concerns are as follows: a. Bus Station operational ability! Buses go into the bus station compound on the north side (off Greyfriars/Hassett Street) and out south. For the turning left out of the bus station, no problem (Kempston, South Bedford and beyond). For X5 (Oxford), 50 (Kettering) and No. 6 (Brickhill) they go over the carriageway and outwards north, utilising the dual carriageway and often clip the mature trees on the left because these big buses need the space for maneuver. My first question is, if the new development encroaches such as to say goodbye to the Greyfriars Roundabout, how will these buses get out? It was hard to see the road design from the information provided nor what operational consideration to buses has been given. For some, buses are marginal, but remember this, daily they bring hundreds of people to shop in the Bedford Town Centre. They would do this more if we made all buses loop the principal railway station and back from the Bus Station as part of overall journeys. Likewise if such linkages also served Tavistock Street, North Harpur Street and the High Street in redistributive manner, dropping off footfall and spend potential, more evenly spread, many more businesses would not be going bust or just hyper launched to become a 6-8 month wonder and then empty again. It is the lack of appreciation and comprehending a priori to funding, which compounds to the margins, this potential. b. Social Housing at any cost, I'd prefer a Borough-wide evenly spread allocation, whereby every new development must have a quotient of social housing and accompanying infrastructures to service it properly from sewage to buses, from NHS outlets to considering more and better rail links and satellite stations. I was told by a town centre guide that Bedford has had over 15, 000 new people come to live here in the last 10 years, but what new infrastructure has come with such influxes? No wonder queues abound on all sides, no wonder cash-strapped councils and other public services struggle to cope and the public thoroughly cheesed off?! The scenario goes "you get what you pay for, I don't use buses so why should I contribute?" The principle carries across a spectrum. c. On a personal note, as a local person, I see the Greyfriars/Bus Station area was a 1962 sort of era post-war development and so as one born 1967, has been a part of my awareness and life for the past 60 years. All to be swept away? The roundabout is a green space in a built urban setting. To lose it for flats with road redesign will just be a boring glass and steel development, upwards for the masses casting shadows on the area, letting less daylight direct to pavement interfaces. Okay in summer, winter months when it is dark by 4.30pm, not so good, okay for able-bodied, but disabled, elderly, partially sighted and mobility users, is a cause for concern, we have a scenario of policing absent on the beat in the town centre, 999 emergencies, 101 (takes ages) for everything else. So we treat incidents majoritively after they happen, not preventatively from Dixon policing grassroots/petty stuff upwards gathering intelligence for bigger players. In my view, if we want to make Bedford Town Centre an attractive place to dwell, shop and engage positively, we need to send signals of well-being, care and support when needed. Borough created alcohol free zones years ago, are they enforced? Likewise, smoking, as an ex-smoker I would like to walk around town without being exposed to passive smoking, which is everywhere currently. Why not make Pidgeon Square, Harpur Square and St Peters Green smoking areas and ban it from the rest of the pedestrian cordon with enforcement and fines? Likewise scooters on and cycling on pavements, fast, hazardous to vulnerable people and no care, no enforcement. All very well like the old arcade to put up signs galore, but with zero enforcement on the ground, gets a two-finger response and carry on as ever! d. I fear these developments will be slum ghettos and that the consultation is an aesthetic exercise, the plan is already determined with powerful professionally focused support 'social housing demand = must have whatever the cost', bull in china shop push, no matter what. HS2 one end of the scale, Bedford North Riverside Development another example. As we know, Aspects, bereft of bus services has diminished to closure and now des-res flats overlooking the river seem likely? In such names, beit post war new town status bids, image, modernism or people paid to know the 'cost of everything, but the value of nothing'; Bedford lost a very great deal of a rich and arguably 'unique' historical built heritage e.g. Bunyan House at Elstow (circa 1968) for an A6 widening which was never implemented, 1968/9 Newnham Priory (over 500 years old, became a Council Depot and then Aspects), a Medieval Fulling Mill (1962 compulsorily purchased, burnt down), became a car park (1970's) and then des-res flats. Arguably, the threatening and closure of the Bedford-Cambridge Railway was part of that trend and a diminished regard and status for the vicinity ever since? We lost the Granada (1980/early 90's), and nearly lost the facade of both the Harpur Centre and Howard Chapel. It was a campaign which saved them and we owe a debt of gratitude to the late Richard Wildman for these efforts via the Bedford Society; can we learn anything now? His book, Bedford Then and Now (available in Bedford Central Library), deserves more recognition, maybe a plaque at the Harpur Centre? We do need to check and balance 'progress'. Yes we need Social Housing, but a more Borough-wide spread would make more regenerative sense than clustering at any cost and let us be under no illusion, since privatisation of buses, town centre bus stations have been lost and sold and redeveloped. 20 years ago it was 'leisure' (St Modwen) now... could ours succumb to 'more brownfield Social Housing' or other 'development' with buses diminished or on-street only? Is that really the trend we wish to unleash and will it commend or repel Bedford's image, rather than being another copycat 'Harlow' or South East London regurgitated regardless of fit and balancing ambiance with necessities? These are my concerns and I hope may be of some interest. There is a call for a rethink, maybe a local referendum, but if not, you may face 60 more years of 'blight' minus green spaces and operational hazards for buses and public transport in and around Bedford. One redeeming answer could be to make all buses turn left out of the bus station and 50, X5 and No. 6 loop round to serve the railway station en route out and back? That would be a gain for bus-rail interfaces, but I saw no sign of that being considered on the back of a single junctional set of traffic lights?
In summary, I support a redistributive growth of social housing provision throughout the Borough, urban AND rural rather than cluster concentrate bereft of or challenged by inadequate services and infrastructure. One other idea is the fuss made to retain the former Perrings, now Wetherspoons on the corner of River Street and Midland Road from a road widening and resurrection of Batts Ford River Bridge. Take that external architecture and maybe make the facade of the new development all along Greyfriars and the corner, so we have a more pleasant, not garish design and in keeping with enhancing the charm of aesthetics, not just bog standard plonk of glass and steel.


BRTA Bedford Forum Agenda – Wednesday 9 October 12pm lunch – 1-3pm business
Venue: Costa Coffee (upstairs) 20 Silver Street, Bedford, MK40 1SU.
Venue Website: 
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g190737-d12674960-Reviews-Costa_Coffee-Bedford_Bedfordshire_England.html
Venue Phone:  01234-346722 Main BRTA Contact Richard Pill BRTA CEO 01234 225068 or
richard.brta@gmail.com

Note: Please sign the attendance list if new so we can follow up.

1.     Apologies for absence

2.     Minutes of previous meeting and matters arising/feedback

3.     Mayor’s Update (or Deputy) if present

4.     Universal Leisure Development and what may be in it for BRTA’s rail-based aspirations?

a.     East West Rail

b.     Bedford-Bletchley (electrification, retaining Stewartby for Kimberley College, 4 coach lengthening of platforms, better parking at stations along the line, Retail Park Kempston New Station).

c.      Oxford-Bedford Midland Station

d.     Bedford-Tempsford/ECML and beyond to Cambridge/getting Richard Fuller MP on board for unison Borough-East Beds joint pursuit of the railway not just no on the back of Northern Route escapade.

e.     A new route for a new-build Northampton-Brackmills-A509/A428 Roundabout-Lavendon-Stevington Walk and flyover to slows to enter Bedford Midland

f.       Remodelling Bedford Midland.

g.     Wixams Midland Main Line

5.     Stations North of Bedford

6.      Ampthill Parkway Station

7.     More freight by rail (Forders Sidings/better use and routing through Bedford east and north for example.

8.     Better buses – regular inclusion of Bedford Midland in all bus routes/looping back and out to Bedford Bus Station and through routes via High Street (Woodside-Hospital-Kempston (amalgamate Nos 1 and 7 for example or 1 and 5).

9.     Any Other Business

10.Day, Date, Time and Place of Next Meeting.

 Notes:

1.     BRTA needs a new webmaster, all reliable offers welcome.

2.     Join BRTA as a member and offer to help as a volunteer – lots of opportunities.






Monday, 16 September 2024

Northampton Umbrella Fair - Environmental Fair and Leicester Public Meeting 05-10-24

BRTA Leicester Public Meeting Agenda – Saturday 5 October 2pm – 4pm business
Venue: Leicester Quaker Meeting House, 16 Queens Road, Leicester, LE2 1WP
Website: 
https://leicester.quakermeeting.org/

Venue Phone: 0116-270-5003(mornings only). BRTA personnel will be setting up the room from 1pm onwards.

1.   Vice Chairman’s Greeting

2.   Speakers from GB Railfreight followed by Questions and Answers (Q&A)

3.   Professor Andrew Williams and James Chick on prospects around reopening a Northampton-Market Harborough (M2MH) Rail Link for a 35-minute transit direct time between Northampton and Leicester (and vice versa) of just 35 minutes followed by Q&A.

4.   General Panel Discussion on Leicester Related Rail Matters

Tea, Book Stall, Banter and Networking Opportunities and book stall etc.

Out by 5pm.


BRTA Attends the Northampton Umbrella Fair on Saturday 21st September 2024 – made a bit of a splash! Below: Richard Pill and James don the new T-Shirts printed for this event!

On Saturday 21st September Professor Andrew Williams, James from Leicester, David Ferguson and Richard Pill attended the ‘environmental’ Northampton Umbrella Fair at The Racecourse in Northampton. We had a stall and did the following:
1. Gave out leaflets promoting the 5th October Leicester Public Meeting
Sought petition signatures in favour of a Northampton-Market Harborough new-build rail link which would give a mere 35 minutes Leicester-Northampton direct rail-based transit time, contrast James, a Student from Leicester University, who tried to use rail via existing lines and service and took 150 minutes each way on a very circuitous existing set of lines and connections. We had a pleasant day, but then it rained and thundered.
2. Collected signature for a petition. Despite the rain and thunder which interrupted an otherwise pleasant day, we collected hovering 100 signatures and aim to repeat the exercise.
Caption below, Richard Pill, CEO of BRTA and standing to his right Professor Andrew Williams donning the new T-Shirts promoting a direct rail link between Northampton-Market Harborough-Leicester, which would give a direct 35 minutes transit time, contrast by existing circuitous rail links of 150 minutes each way with 2 changes of train! Over the years buses have been cut, but A508 traffic proliferates with development abounding.
Richard Pill, CEO of BRTA and standing Professor Williams, donning his new T-Shirt which top-to bottom says ‘N2MH@ (Northampton to Market Harborough), the BR Sign and then ‘Northampton 35 minutes Leicester’.
We collected over 100 signatures on a mixed-weather day, whereby half way through a massive thunder storm and heavy rail intervened. Otherwise, a good day, many people, much discussion and a good vibe.
We hope to make it an annual attendance to tap into potential like-minds and support. Other photos on our Facebook webpage: https://www.facebook.com/RebuildNorthampton2MarketHarboroughRailLink
BRTA Is voluntary and relies on the good will of people to join, turn out and engage positively. We currently want to build teams and delegate roles to enable more and better. We seek a new Webmaster, willing door-to-door leafleting, area reps, fund raisers, marketing and promoting our events and peopling them. Externally, we need a national government who understands the real issues, is willing to make a whole hearted switch and fund from road to rail for people and goods and build railways which handle people and goods. Away with the view HS” creates capacity for more by rail, which may be true at cost, but does not fill the gaps the closures informed.
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re: https://www.umbrellafair.org/

Northampton Umbrella Fair

Northampton Racecourse

Sat 21st and Sunday 22nd September 

Midday to late

Free entry/ All welcome.

BRTA is having a stall there too from 12.Noon Midday on the Saturday and possibly the Sunday too!

Please see the attached poster. Please come and give BRTA your support!

Yours sincerely,


Richard Pill

BRTA CEO

richard.brta@gmail.com



Wednesday, 11 September 2024

Detrimental implementations by H.M. Government on LNER and elsewhere on the railway network.

From 27-09-24

FAO: Richard Pill, CEO, British Regional Transport Association (BRTA) 


Dear, Mr. Pill,

That there is a formal distinction between LNER's Simpler Fares pilot and LNER's introduction of Single-Leg Pricing needs to be understood.

 

The Simpler Fares pilot (launched in January, 2024) and LNER’s introduction of Single-Leg Pricing (introduced in June, 2024) are completely separate and distinct entities which should not be treated synonymously. LNER's introduction of Single-Leg Pricing is not part of the Simpler Fares pilot; the Simpler Fares pilot is not part of the introduction of Single-Leg Pricing.

 

They are separate and distinct entities. If LNER were to fully abort the Simpler Fares pilot, and were to fully revert to the how things stood on the day before the Simpler Fares pilot came into effect, Single-Leg Pricing would still exist on LNER, because Single-Leg Pricing was introduced separately and distinctly from the Simpler Fares pilot, and does not form part of the Simpler Fares pilot's remit and provisions.

 

I am not certain that this distinction is widely appreciated, even by industry observers.

 

(DURATION OF THE PILOT SCHEME):

 

The duration of the Simpler Fares pilot is suspiciously long, it is a two-year pilot. Not only on the railways, but in society in general, trials/pilots are typically of a period of up to six months. Even a period of one year would be considered long.

 

It feels that H.M. Government mandated such a lengthy duration in order to engineer a situation whereby it is a fait accompli that the provisions of the pilot will become permanent.

 

Two years are a very long time, far longer than pilots typically are. After such a long period of time, provisions have become 'baked-in', leaving it difficult to unpick, disentangle and revert. After such a long period of time, the ordinary member of the general public becomes accustomed to things, and somewhat forgets that things were not always previously thus.

 

Now that the Simpler Fares pilot has been extended to more stations, it feels as though the Department of Transport is consolidating efforts to ensure the aforementioned fait accompli.

 

The chosen duration of the Simpler Fares pilot is suspiciously long, and that should not be disregarded.


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It is a conventional wisdom that people are put off rail travel because fares are complicated. It's a myth.

On a gloriously-sunny day, no one, since time began, has ever been asked by their friend/wife/husband/girlfriend/nextdoor neighbour if they'd like to go for a day out to the seaside, and replied:
"That's a great idea, Jennifer. I'd absolutely love to go to the seaside today, but fares are complicated, so I'll stay at home".

They might decline the invitation because fares are expensive, but not because fares are complicated. People being put off by fares being complicated is just a conventional wisdom which gets parroted without evidence, and without evidence even being requested.

Anon

FAO: British Regional Transport Association

Monday the 2nd. of September, 2024

Dear Mr. Pill,

RE: LNER’s and the Labour Government's announcement that LNER's Simpler Fares pilot will, in October of 2024, be extended to additional railway stations

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/8cdBVNxx1nM6nAM6/  (Hyperlink to an article on negative implications).


In despite all of the glaringly obvious sticks-out-like-a-sore thumb evidence that all of this simplification is a terrible thing, which actually increases travelling costs and decreases convenience, politicians have been seduced by the word 'simplification', and have allowed LNER (LNER is the worst culprit by far) and c2c to get away with fares-and-ticketing changes which are profoundly detrimental. Single-Leg Pricing and simplification are, and persistently and consistently have been, profoundly bad for the travelling public, but the blinkered or naïve politicians have let this all happen unopposed rather than challenging the Government.

Usually, when the powers-that-be put forward proposals for changes to fares-and-ticketing on public transport, or ANY proposal on public transport, non-Ministerial politicians and their allies will forensically scour the proposals for any the-Devil-is-in-the-detail negative implications of the proposals, and will relentlessly hound the powers-that-be until those the-Devil-is-in-the-detail negative implications are recognised and addressed.

The authorities have been able to get away with all manner of detrimental implementations because politicians and many members of the general have been seduced by the word 'simplification' and have been too obsessed by the fact that Returns cost only slightly more than Singles; obsessed by the belief, the huge misconception that millions of citizens are put off of rail travel for no other reason than that Rail Fares In This Country Are Complicated.

People are not put off by fares being complicated; they are but off by fares being expensive.

Those politicians who would usually fight against negative changes/negative proposed changes have been seduced and distracted by sleight-of-hand red-herring distractions.

These changes and simplifications are a terrible thing, something which needs to be fought against. A problem is that there are two battles needing to be fought:

(i). the battle against these negative changes;
(ii). the battle to get our elected representatives in Parliament and the devolved regional and national bodies to realise that there is a battle which needs to be fought.

The proposals for ticket-office closures were defeated because so very many recognised a problem, rallied around, got vocal, spread the word far; mobilised and lobbied.

What will it take for those public representatives who support all of this to finally realise that these changes on the railways (particularly exemplified by LNER, but appearing elsewhere, too) are awful and highly detrimental?

Labour has been waxing lyrical about intending to reduce travelling costs and increase convenience, yet one of the very first specific actions regarding the railways which Labour has taken is to increase fares and decrease convenience.

LNER is government-owned, under the Operator of Last Resort, which is part of state apparatus, under the auspices of the Department of Transport, therefore the decision to extend the scheme would have been (and can only be) taken with the approval of H.M. Government, and could not have happened without Secretary of State for Transport Louise Haigh's ultimate authorisation. H.M. Government has knowingly and wilfully increased fares in despite of everything which Labour has said in recent months and recent weeks.

Return fares, Super Off-Peak fares, Day Singles, Day Returns, Off-Peak fares, railcard discounts, to-boundary-zone fares: simplification puts them all at risk (and LNER already has de jure vanquished or de facto vanquished almost all of them), these so-called 'complicated' things which simplification has simplified away are actually what facilitate the availability of cheaper options. If you take a sledgehammer to the behemoth you bring down the cheaper options which lurk within the behemoth.

Already, fares-and-ticketing changes on LNER have massively increased fares and travelling costs, and reduced convenience and reduced flexibility; the October of 2024 extension of the Simpler Fares pilot makes it even more so on all counts.

For round-trip travel, Single-Leg Pricing means that two tickets have to be purchased where previously you only had to buy one ticket; therefore, you have to carry out two transactions when previously you only had to carry out one: that is a loss of convenience and a loss of flexibility.

In some cases, it is a de facto abolition; in some cases, it is a de jure abolition: the June of 2023 introduction of Single-Leg Pricing and the February of 2024 introduction of the Simpler Fares pilot have, in some cases, abolished open tickets, in other cases made open tickets and turn-up-and-go tickets so prohibitively expensive as to effectively render open tickets as no longer available: that is a loss of convenience and a loss of flexibility.

The abolition of all but the (ultra expensive) Anytime Single—even the Anytime Day Single has been abolished—means that turn-up-and-go tickets, tickets which allow for breaks-of-journey, have been made to become so prohibitively expensive that they have effectively been removed—a de facto abolition. One no longer has the wonderful option of making breaks-of-journey: that is a loss of convenience and a loss of flexibility.

These damaging fares-and-ticketing changes on LNER and c2c need to be reversed. The retention of Return fares, Day fares, Super Off-Peak and the full range of turn-up-and-go fares needs to be protected; where any of these things have been abolished already, they need to be reinstated.

Single-Leg Pricing is the Emperor's New Clothes; the abolition of Singles is not required to resolve the current situation with Returns costing much the same as a Single. Keep Returns, and keep them at the current price, then halve the price of Singles. Halving the price of fare X does not necessitate the abolition of fare Y. Price is not the only factor, Returns offer convenience, security and certainty.

How can anyone sincerely argue that these changes on LNER (and, to a lesser extent, the changes on c2c) are beneficial to the travelling public financially or practically, or both?

(additional material). Detrimental implementations by H.M. Government on LNER, 2 and elsewhere on the railway network

That there is a formal distinction between LNER's Simpler Fares pilot and LNER's introduction of Single-Leg Pricing needs to be understood.

The Simpler Fares pilot (launched in February, 2024) and LNER’s introduction of Single-Leg Pricing (introduced in June, 2024) are completely separate and distinct entities which should not be treated synonymously. LNER's introduction of Single-Leg Pricing is not part of the Simpler Fares pilot; the Simpler Fares pilot is not part of the introduction of Single-Leg Pricing.

They are separate and distinct entities. If LNER were to fully abort the Simpler Fares pilot, and fully revert to the how things stood on the day before the Simpler Fares pilot came into effect, Single-Leg Pricing would still exist on LNER, because Single-Leg Pricing was introduced separately and distinctly from the Simpler Fares pilot, and does not form part of the Simpler Fares pilot's remit and provisions.

I am not certain that this distinction is widely appreciated, even by industry observers.

 

(DURATION OF THE PILOT SCHEME):

The duration of the Simpler Fares pilot is suspiciously long, it is a two-year pilot. Not only on the railways, but in society in general, trials/pilots are typically of a period of up to six months. Even a period of one year would be considered long.

It feels that H.M. Government/Department of Transport/Rail Delivery Group mandated such a lengthy duration in order to engineer a situation whereby it is a fait accompli that the provisions of the pilot will become permanent. Two years are a very long time, far longer than pilots typically are. After such a long period of time, provisions have become 'baked-in', leaving it difficult to unpick, disentangle and revert. After such a long period of time, the ordinary member of the general public becomes accustomed to things, and somewhat forgets that things were not always previously thus.

Now that the Simpler Fares pilot has been extended to more stations, it feels as though the Department of Transport is consolidating efforts to ensure the aforementioned fait accompli.

The chosen duration of the Simpler Fares pilot is suspiciously long, and that should not be disregarded.


Anon. 

Any support we suggest you:

1. write/email your MP

2. Join BRTA and be a volunteer

3. help with getting a better deal for all rail users - quantity and quality experiences and value for money, people before profit.

Enquiries via richard.brta@gmail.com



Saturday, 7 September 2024

BRTA Guildford Forum – Saturday 14 September 2024 2pm lunch – 3-5pm business

BRTA  Guildford Forum – Saturday 14 September 2024 2pm lunch – 3-5pm business

Venue: The Rodboro Buildings, 1–10 Bridge Street, Guildford, Surrey, GU1 4RY
Website: https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/all-pubs/england/surrey/the-rodboro-buildings-guildford Phone: 01483 306366 Email address: simon4barber@gmail.com Phone(landline): 020-8940-4399 Phone (mobile): 07522-374740
1.                 Appointment of a chair (David J. Start or David Ferguson)
2.                 Apologies for absence
3.                 Introductions – who are you, your name and fill in attendance list if a visitor
4.                 Guildford-Cranleigh-Horsham rail reopening goal (explain)
a.      Cranleigh leafleting
b.      Donations/pledges for more flyers to be printed
c.       Offers of volunteers to help with David and Simon leafleting and avoiding duplication.
d.      Getting councils and MPs on board
5.                 Dunsfold Oil – who, what, why and how (introduction) and how the Guildford-Horsham rail link can help: reduced demand for oil, rail choice to congestion and impact of associated development without a new local modern rail link?
6.                 Arundel Curve, plan, progress and who will do what.
7.                 Horsham-Shoreham: Protecting remaining route, getting councils/MPs on board.
8.                 Wey & Arun Canal threat – any news.
9.                 Heathrow Southern Railway with east and west curves to communicate with them and invite to meetings.
10.            North Downs Line (Reading-Guildford-Redhill/Gatwick Airport-Tonbridge): Electrification ‘third rail’ and Thameslink from East Croydon to Guildford at least and Gatwick Airport-Tonbridge avoiding Redhill
11.            New stations - Guildford Royal Hospital (Barn Park) and new County Hall (Merrow)
12.            Guildford Town Centre: How to make pedestrian friendly. Getting from Station to Portsmouth Road is hazardous.
13.            Any Other Business

14.            Date, Time and Place of Next Meeting (February 

URC Room, Portsmouth Road Saturday – with invited speaker/s 

Dunsfold Oil campaign and/or Heathrow Southern Rail or both. 

12 Noon lunch at Wetherspoons,

Guildford Mutterings and Stirrings? Guildford Forum Reflections:
Minutes of BRTA Guildford Forum held on Saturday 14th September 2024 at The Rodboro Buildings, 1 Bridge Street, Guildford, Surrey, GU1 4RY. Ed. Please note that BRTA facilitates forums to bring people together, to consider more in-depth issues and recruit more active members and volunteers. They are not officiating to inform BRTA policy per se.
 
1. Present: Simon Barber and David Ferguson (BRTA), Trevor Jones (Railfuture), Kathy Smyth (Waverley Friends of the Earth), Richard Porter (Marlow-Maidenhead Rail Users Association).
2. Apologies for Absence: Richard Pill, David Start, Leonard Lean, Adrian Chandler (BRTA), Robin Hirsch and Rob Cooke (Guildford Rail Users Group), Jeremy Hunt (MP Waverley), Cllr. Andrew Hornsby-Smith (Reading), Cllr. Stephen Hines (Guildford), Alistair Atkinson (Guildford Environmental Forum), Voluntary Action South-West Surrey, Conway Castle-Knight.
3. Guildford-Cranleigh-Horsham
   a) We agree that Cranleigh town should have most support, and we should get Councils and MPs on board. We must target green organisations/groups in Cranleigh. Ed. People need to put their money where their mouths are! We need £100 to do more Cranleigh flyer questionnaire leafleting to cover the whole town. Donate to enable more please.
    b) Another thing that we should target is the Onslow Estates, which will be via Clandon Estates Office. The estate has a house at Knowle Park in Cranleigh. Ed. Why was no-one named to do this (delegation)?
   c) More flyers we will discuss at our forthcoming EC meeting. Ed. Yes, but unless more money beit membership or donations or both, nothing can be forth-coming.
4. Dunsfold: The Dunsford Oil has ground to a halt, but the new housing development will be in the long-term. However, the Aerodrome cannot be sold since the land belongs to Trinity College, Cambridge. Ed. Laudable, but our wish is to recruit Dunsfold activists to help with the rail link reopening.
5. Arundel Curve:  We prefer the curve to be at Barnham, since Ford is close to HM Prison. Ed. Someone needs to look at the lie of the land, take photos, do diagrams and report to EC.
6.  New Stations – Merrow (County Hall) – to be named Guildford East. Ed. Laudable, but must have new members and activists for more projects to be taken on board.
This is close to a housing estate dating from the 1950s, and apart from the new Surrey County Hall there will also be a new development at Gosden Hill Farm with woodland space, plus new housing and schools which will lie just north of the Guildford New Line via Effingham Junction. Ed. Unless local demand translates to BRTA Membership recruitment, it is a distraction.
1.     Guildford Town Centre: A pedestrian bridge over the River Wey has been modernised close to the Crown Court and the Odeon Cinema. Ed. Laudable, but needs local people to join and be the answer.
ED. BRTA needs more money to print more flyers for Cranleigh. We need more members generally and more active volunteers who share the vision without hesitation, deviation or repetition!

All enquiries, comments or feedback via richard.brta@gmail.com

People who join/are members and donate will be given priority!